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Why we now echo Enoch

HALESOWEN Tories should revolt at the sacking of their candidate, Nigel Hastilow, for saying, “Enoch was right”.

SEAWITCH

13.11.07, 8:17pm

Seawitch, to quote from your response:

*“Britain needs its identity back again, and anyone who chooses to live here must accept that they are British citizens, subject to the laws of the land. That includes the white members of the population.”*

If I may ask:

Identity – what identity do we need back?
How would this be achieved if we continue to be a hotchpotch of groups coexisting very uneasily side by side?
Who would define what ‘Our Identity’ is?

Are you talking about:
1) One single identity; a kind of diluted-down umbrella cover to include and appease everyone, with the occasional palliative to shut us up?
Or
2) Separate identities for each group within Britain?

Is there a third option? (Because the first two options will not work.)

The first option is what people might call global capitalism. We become lucrative pieces of meat. (Yes; that is exactly how they regard us.)

The second option would lead into the very extremism that you hope to shield our children from. Separate identities within one nation will cause friction; fights; and power battles.

And then there’s the comment; “that includes the white members of the population.”
This seems to me a pejorative statement in that it either suggests that the indigenous Britons are only of secondary significance, or it suggests that we are more likely to break the law than non-whites.

Finally, I’m not attacking you, Seawitch; freedom of speech; yadda; yadda; yadda, but I detect in your responses a touch of hypocrisy; you’re anti-extremism, but you attack others’ views with the vigour and vernacular of an extremist.

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SEAWITCH

13.11.07, 7:51pm

Zzzzzzzzzz .................

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DYLAN - PATHETIC

13.11.07, 7:33pm

No answers, just rhetoric.

That's all you have.

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SEAWITCH

13.11.07, 7:29pm

Yaawwnnnn ...........

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DYLAN

13.11.07, 7:28pm


Hysterical seems to be your word of the day, and your like-minded friends seem to have it on their list of trigger-words as well. Who wrote the script?

You talk about honest, straight talking dialogue; I asked you a number of questions which you failed to answer. Where’s the honesty in that? Where is your straight talk when directly challenged?

Where are your answers?

As far as I can see, the BNP message is the constant refrain, “The evil foreigners are taking over! Come to a BNP meeting, we’re the only ones who care”.

And that’s not hysteria?

What will you do to show you care?

You don’t own the patent, or the monopoly on patriotism. I love my county, and its people. I don’t respect those who attempt to demonstrate their non-racist credentials by turning on their own country and pointing out all that is bad about Britain whilst ignoring all that is good. I don’t hate myself, and I don’t hate you. I just don’t happen to agree with you, that’s all.

Britain needs its identity back again, and anyone who chooses to live here must accept that they are British citizens, subject to the laws of the land. That includes the white members of the population.

Do the BNP and its members abide by the law of the land?

My idea of being British is not living in fear and resentment of anyone who is different.

So I’ll speak out against any extremist agitator because I won’t sit back and watch you and the Islamic extremists to fill my countrymen with hatred and suspicion. Is that really the way you want your children to live?

True backbone means not capitulating to that kind of fearful existence. It seems to me that you have already fallen.

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BACK_TO_BASICS

13.11.07, 7:11pm

Anger rather than apathy is good, I agree, so long as its usefully directed and not against oneself or one another as sometimes is the case ;-)
Interesting that you write articles. I do that myself, although perhaps not as regularly as I might. It's somewhat cathartic too and, as you say, to do one's bit. Despondency from time to time, me too, but we bounce back.
Silence, well, I refer to Enoch -
"To see, and not to speak, that is the great betrayal"
We can extrapolate plenty from that.
Ignorance, yes it's unforgiveable for a number of reasons, particularly with the amount of info around, but then people have been brainwashed to a large degree so I don't blame the majority too much, I reserve blame for the denialists who refuse to face reality.
As for the real enemy, we agree on that, and there's the bigger picture which I'm sure you understand.
Regarding a united front, much can be said and probably is being said, though not when BB is watching. The fact that they're watching at all however, is causing some at least to suspect that something may wrong.
Keep the faith :-)

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DYLAN - ANGER VS LIES

13.11.07, 5:47pm

To keep it kind of on topic: immigration is a con, but maybe Enoch Powell mistimed or misjudged the moment.
It’s just possible we have a second chance to right the wrongs.
We just need now to take *their* rules and start playing them at their own game. It can be done.

Okay, Dylan; honesty is key; you’ve hit the nail on the head there.
After ten years of lies, deceit, and spin we’ve forgotten what honesty is, and having forgotten, we expect nothing more than yet more lies.

I’ll give what you’ve written some serious thought. (Can’t say fairer than that :) )

Anger is good; anger indicates a lack of apathy. Apathy is the absolute bane of this country.
What gets me angry is certain people’s response to politics: “oh let’s not talk about that; it’s boring; there’s nothing we can do; I can’t be bothered to search/explore/question… I’d rather watch X or Y or Z…” X,Y, or Z being any mindless tat on TV.
(You must know the sort of person I mean!)

AThey really need to know that appeasement is not the answer; sticking one’s head in the sand is not the answer. Silence is not the answer. Ignorance is unforgivable.

I do my bit; I written a couple of articles for a pressure group and am about to draft another, and I think, even if only one person reads what I have written and takes anything from it, then I have done something.
But sometimes it feels as though we’re swimming against the tide.
I get despondent. (As does anyone in this day and age!)

I see some people being ‘savaged’ for their opinions on these forums, be they left-wing; right-wing; or just plain barmy!

I just wish, having almost identified the real enemy (dare I be more specific, or shall I just mutter something about religion or super-states?) I just wish we, the poorly treated indigenous population, could present a more united front against that enemy. (Pie-in-the-sky hope, I know; I know; believe me; I know.)

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DYLAN

13.11.07, 5:00pm

The fact that the hysterical left wingers have to resort to lies and distortions is indicative of the fact that they are losing the argument.

The British National Party offers a common sense solution to the enourmous problems our nation faces due to the treasonous activities of the mainstream parties, it is no surprise these same politicians line up to condemn the 'wicked' BNP.

If anyone wishes to seek the truth they would attend a local BNP meeting and decide for themselves, they would find ordinary hard working people of all ages and of both sexes, not the stereotypical hordes often depicted by the liberal media and left wing groups.

The fact remains that most people believe Enoch Powell was right they need to realise that only the BNP are willing to stand up for them.

This fact alone should leave nobody in any doubt as to who they must vote for if they really want action on immigration.

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BACK_TO_BASICS

13.11.07, 3:22pm

You know, sometimes I do get a bit angry that people are moved to become suspicious, but I really do think they should ask themselves why, and then consider that there might just be some honest people still around.
The alternative is to regard everyone, including the BNP, as being part of the problem. Of course, with all the negative propaganda emanating from the source of their suspicions, there are bound to be some reservations, but that shouldn't cloud ones judgement. Indeed, such propaganda should act as a spur to consider why it is directed at the enemies of those who have caused the problem, or, if the BNP are not to be be trusted and the liblab con are not to be trusted then what are we left with? The EU? Islam? Some other external entity or ideaology to be called upon because we have no confidence in ourselves as a race and nation? Even worse, we loathe ourselves for even thinking about ourselves as a discrete race and nation, able to govern ourselves and finding pride in that fact, for it is that very pride that is under attack.

The BNP, much to the chagrin of the so-called "antifascsists" and multicultists, is the embodiment of that pride. Hence, the BNP is the bogeyman, and is therefore not to be trusted according to the adherents of the multicult who, in reality are the useful idiots of those for whom people without pride become merely drones to be manipulated as those who seek power over them see fit. So conferring the attributes of those other bogeymen, the 20th century German fascists onto the BNP is the chosen method of those for whom a bolshie, awkward breed like the British, and especially the English, is an obstacle to their aspirations for a stateless collection of hybrid groups under their control.

Anyway, I'm glad you're not offended. In fact I didn't really think you would be after reading your previous entries. It was however perhaps a little tactless of me to resort to angered rhetoric, though I admit it was designed to provoke a response, to which I intended to reply as above, to which there is not much else I can add, except to say that I for one am not any of those things of which the BNP as a whole is accused, and I don't know anyone within that party who is.

My regards.

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DYLAN...

13.11.07, 1:23pm

Okay, Dylan

First of all, as a believer in freedom of speech I try not to launch a whole scale attack on someone or something just because I don’t agree. Non inflammatory language is my preferred way.
Cringing? Paralysed with fear? Backbone?
No; no; plenty, are the respective answers.
I expressed worry and reservations, not deep cringing, inactive fear.
Delicate? Me? Oh I’m made of stronger stuff, don’t you worry!

Second point: EVERYONE in power has an agenda, Dylan; radical feminists; gay militants; Muslims; and as for the liblabcon, as you call it, it’s rank with corruption. Anyone with severe myopia and half a brain can see that.

The *unofficial* agenda of the current political bodies: Gramsci; cultural Marxism; the Frankfurt school; the oppressed; the counter-hegemony – I get it, I really do.
Ten years ago I could have spoken with someone from the Labour party, but do you really think that they would have told me their unofficial agenda? (Which obviously is complete decimation of our culture, via Gramscian means) Of course they wouldn’t have done.

And when the BNP get to power… They too might have an unofficial agenda that they never really bothered to tell us.
I could go along to a BNP meeting, if I can find anywhere, so off I go, a little woman, to the meeting and say; ‘you are going to be nice to women, aren’t you?’
I can hear the howls of laughter now!
No one’s going to say, ‘well, actually, sweetie; we have plans for you lot, but shush, don’t tell anyone, now…’

I don’t think you’re rude; I believe you to have complete political integrity.
You seem to have complete faith in the BNP. You want honest, straight, dialogue? So do I!
I stand by what I keep saying: freedom of speech is key, Dylan; if that’s ever eroded completely we’re all absolutely f***ed; you, me, all of us.
So, if I want to express reservations (and still honour others’ right to freedom of speech) I will.

As I said to someone before, drawing from the famous quote: I may not agree with what you say, but I defend to the death your right to say it.
In return I expect to have the right to speak freely.
Honest dialogue: go for it!

(Incidentally – no offence taken :) )

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BACK_TO_BASICS

13.11.07, 10:53am

You worry and scratch your head, yet you have no answers. You could easily meet BNP members, attend meetings, discuss your concerns and find out what sort of people they are and why they support the only party telling the truth as it manifests before your eyes.
It's not difficult to see throught he lies of the liblabcon is it?
You say you've heard and read some things.
Oh have you? So does it all end there for you because you're paralysed by fear and the drivel from the likes of the self-hating, vindictive crap-spewing Seawitch and co?

You say:
"I’ve seen some letters/posts/responses that are not very nice to gay people."

Oh dear, how dreadful!
And have you read what some of these poor gay people, especially the miltants of the gay lobby have to say about people who don't share their "agenda"?
Who cares whether people are gay or not?
All they have to do is get on with it, keep it to themselves and stop parading it everywhere and wanting it taught to children.
What do they want kids to know about Rimming? Fisting? Amyl Nitrate parties? Crusing in parks and having sex in toilets?
Letters/posts that are not very nice to gay people?
I wonder why?

You say:
"It worries me; it really worries me."

Does it? Does it really?

Do you think I'm rather rude and don't understand your delicate sensibilities?

Then stop cringing and backbone.
Then I will start respecting you and you won't be offended by any of the above.

Straight talk eh, back_to_basics?
That's all it is, just straight to the point, no-nonsense honest discourse.
That's what the "antifascists" and the PC brigade fear the most. That's why Seawitch and co post hysterical, inverted claptrap.

Have a nice day ;-)

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HYSTERICAL SEAWITCH

13.11.07, 10:06am

The self-evident bile and lies spew out of your twisted mind for everyone to read.
Thanks for proving my point, as I knew you would.

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DYLAN - HYSTERICAL? THAT'S THE BNP.

13.11.07, 1:48am

Yours is the party of mass hysteria, and of fear. Everyone is a threat to you because beneath your posturing lies deep insecurity and cowardice. You are afraid of everyone and everything out of your control.

A Britain under the BNP would be a dark, inhospitable place for everyone but white male supremacists, wouldn’t it? Or are you going to tell me you have abandoned the principles upon which the BNP was founded?

No way. You’re trying to kid the electorate into believing that you’re the good guys by homing in on one real issue. Talk about wolves in sheeps clothing! You may have the brains and the courage of sheep, but you’re still vicious predators nonetheless.

What are your policies on women?

What are your policies on homosexuality?

Do you still hate Jews, or are they suddenly in favour now you want to persuade them to join your anti-Muslim cause? Did the holocaust take place or didn’t it?

Who can join your party?

How will you tackle the problems in the NHS? What will you do about all the non-white, non-indigenous doctors and nurses who currently keep it afloat?

Go on, tell the world what your vile policies are really all about; when the mask slips away, and your backwards, thuggish beliefs are revealed, then see how many of the gullible people you’ve been deceiving into voting for you stick around.

You are of the same ilk as the Islamic fundamendalist extremists whom you have declared your opponents of the moment. You and they are soul brethren and Britain under BNP rule would be akin to Britain under Sharia law. You should all leave the country together and find an uninhabited island upon which to fight your tribal battles, without involving those of us who simply want to enjoy and peaceful existence.

Yesterday, we remembered and honoured those who fought the Nazi tyranny that you seek to impose upon British society. The nation will ensure they did not die in vain, so give it up because you’ll never win the hearts and minds of the majority.


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DEEP RESERVATIONS

12.11.07, 10:58pm

When I get the time I read various posts; forums; articles.

With regards to the BNP I’ve seen some things (not just on this forum, but on others) that disturb me.

For example: I’ve seen, in recent weeks, two or three genuinely sincere suggestions about removing women’s right to vote in order to restore some order.

I’ve seen comments that suggest or hint how women should be *made* to do their bit for the country by having lots of babies.

I’ve seen some letters/posts/responses that are not very nice to gay people.

Hindus are not the problem; Sikhs are not the problem; Jews are not the problem; the majority of gay people are not the problem; women are not the problem…

Personally I see mass/uncontrolled immigration as a problem.
Personally I see Islam as a major problem.
Personally I see indigenous Britons being treated unfairly as a problem,

I see a need for a great deal of change, not just in Britain, but across the established states of Europe, because while we’re chained to Europe we will, inevitably, share their problems.

But I am not clear how the BNP would start to correct the wrongs; how far they would go; how much they would impose some kind of horrible 1950s type society, where women just damn well did what they were told by their husbands!

I’ve looked at the website; a couple of comments from a couple of the bloggers – (one being ‘doc’ someone, made some disparaging comments about women again.)

It worries me; it really worries me.

It seems Britain is starting to identify the real problem; but what exactly is the route to the solution?

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SHALL WE SIT BACK..

12.11.07, 10:53pm

AND LET IT HAPPEN.
Please remember what happened to the Armenians.
If you don't believe me try to ask the remaining population what happened.
Be quick because there aren't many left.

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