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Is Britain too soft on terrorists?BRITAIN has become a “soft touch from within and without” for extremists, a devastating report warned yesterday. 
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I AM AFRAID THE IRISH AND WEST INDIANS FOUND IT ...........
28.06.08, 11:28am
I am afraid the Irish and West Indians found it very hard when they came to these shores all those years ago. No free handouts, accomodation, pandering for them I'm afraid. The West Indians got a really raw deal at that time especially as they was then British Subjects with British passports and under British rule. I was told by many that while at the cinema back home that an advertisement used to come on asking for them to come to England to help their mother country as there was a shortage of bus drivers, nurses, etc. They was shown nice apartments and told they would have a good life here but when they came the reality was far different. Boarding houses etc would not give either the Irish or West Indians accomodation so a West Indian would buy a house and then to pay for it would let out rooms to other West Indian immigrants this is why there was so many living in one house, it was by neccessity and not choice.
I think the West Indian people and people of West Indian origin still get a raw deal because the government is too busy pandering to muslims to see their plight. They need to work with the black community to help solve gang crime and the black on black killings. I also believe that the punishment should fit the crime for these murders becuse they are getting too common place.
Saying this crime/murder is only set to get worse with the law lords latest ruling by making it illegal to withhold the names of witnesses. How the hell do they expect people to give evidence knowing that they are under threat of being murdered by other gang members? Think it is time to dismantle the House of Lords and for the government to pass new laws ensuring that the punishment fits the crime
• Posted by: Nimue • Report Comment
SANDIE
05.03.08, 11:14pm
"My immigrants paid there way, and came here legally.
Unlike the scroungers you support, who come here on the backs of lorries."
you have no idea. there was no immigration law back then such as it exists today. so there was no 'legal' or 'illegal'. let alone a welfare system to exploit or not exploit. you can bet that they lived in crowded ghettoes and slum conditions, and picked up whatever work they could pick up. and were hated by the locals.
and as for your 'back of lorries' comment. well, lorries didn't exist then. but you can bet that your family came with hundreds of other refugees on a crowded boat, and were uncerimoniously dumped at the liverpool docks.
now sandie, i am just as bored as you are with this pointless discussion between us. mostly because i am bored with defeating an opposition that is just not up to it.
For the most part, i am glossing over your repetative anecdotes, delusions, hypocracies and hateful comments, and engaging with the issues at hand (and ethan, as, unlike you, he has some actual points to make, and can carry on an actual argument from time to time). so i have no intention to 'do one'.
if you are bored or frustrated that no one will believe your fairy tales of wonder, i'm sure there are plenty of other websites in the darker corners of the internet where you can go and spew hateful rhetoric.
• Posted by: nofreespeechhere • Report Comment
AND FOR YOUR INFO NO FREE
05.03.08, 1:10am
This statement is tripe:-
you don't have a leg to stand on here sandie. you are the child of immigrants, who, 150 years ago were in pretty much the exact situation as immigrants today
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Sorry, but I ain't the 'child of immigrants'.
My parents were both born in Newcastle, as were there parents.
And Catholics immigrants from Ireland, which was then part of the UK, are not on a par with non English speaking Muslims out for a free ride.
Now definately 'DO ONE'
• Posted by: SandieL • Report Comment
SO NOFREE
05.03.08, 1:06am
Is Lancaster the cirlce of hell then??
Must be, you and your leftie mates live there!
We've already done the rounds with the Irish immigrant bit....
My immigrants paid there way, and came here legally.
Unlike the scroungers you support, who come here on the backs of lorries.
Get real, and in the meantime, as they say in Liverpool:-
Do one!
• Posted by: SandieL • Report Comment
SANDIE
04.03.08, 9:51pm
you can defend your personal hypocracies all you want, just don't twist my words:
"You have also said the Irish were treated like dogs, and they kept the wages down."
i said they were accused of keeping wages down. just like current immigrants are accused of keeping wages down.
you don't have a leg to stand on here sandie. you are the child of immigrants, who, 150 years ago were in pretty much the exact situation as immigrants today.
the fact that you are not more sensative to their plight, and can't see how in the same way your feel that your family became british over time, so will immigrant families here.
you can either admit that i am right here, or you can carry on being hypocritical. i personally don't care what you do, it's you who has to look at yourself in the mirror and try to justify your hypocracies to yourself, and to god.
apparently, accoring to dante, the 8th circle of hell is where hypocrites dwell. oddly enough, that is also the home to 'sowers of dischord and schism'.
• Posted by: nofreespeechhere • Report Comment
****THIS COMMENT HAS BEEN EDITED****
03.03.08, 10:37pm
Where have I defended Irish terrorists?
I have been particularly careful NOT to say either lot is better than the other.
I support neither side.
The immigrants you are on about, are the Irish, who are part of the British Isles.
The people I do not want here are foreigners sponging off the system, which I also took pains to point out that the Irish could not do that.
Either you can't read properly, or have a problem digesting my posts.
Or both.
I know my family living in terrible conditions when they first came here. I told you that many of them died young, likely because of the living conditions.
Not such living conditions for the freeloaders who come here now. Even the detention centres, which are brand new, are set fire to because the immigrants want more than that!
You have also said the Irish were treated like dogs, and they kept the wages down.
Yet you don't accept that immigrants/migrants whatever YOU want to call them keep our wages down.
Most of them work cash in hand I bet, and that means they won't be supporting YOU in your old age.
• Posted by: SandieL • Report Comment
SANDIE
03.03.08, 7:43pm
not once have i defended terrorists.
you, however, continue to tar all muslims with that brush.
i am merely, and very easily, pointing out the massive hypocracies you live by.
your family emigrated to this country, yet you resent immigrants.
your family were part of an ethnic group associated with terrorism, yet you cast aspersions on entire ethic groups and associate them with terrorism.
your family were part of a persecuted religious minority in england, and yet you are more than happy to persecute religious minorities in england.
your irish brothers and sisters emigrated to this country in massive waves during a time of economic and political hardship. the english treated them like dogs (and accused them of driving down wages). the irish were a ghettoised population for decades in liverpool, birmingham and elsewhere. yet you complain about immigrants living in ghettoes here, who have only just arrived. you make all the same arguments that the english made about your people, and you seem completely fine with this.
you seem to find the face of irish terrorism in this country somewhat acceptable, despite the fact that they have killed far more english people than muslims ever have. and tried (and almost suceeded) to assasinate our prime minister of the day.
the fact that you find these hypocracies acceptable in your life is staggering. i think you need to take a good long look at yourself and where you come from before you say horrible things about others.
• Posted by: nofreespeechhere • Report Comment
RE THIS:-
03.03.08, 5:34pm
Did they stand outside their churches - either Catholic or Protestant - threatening to kill people because they are unbelievers of Islam? once again NO!
Obviously the Catholics and Protestants wouldn't threaten people because they didn't believe in ISLAM.
Cocked that one up. They wouldn't threaten to kill people in the STREETS at all.
Because they would have been arrested. Unlike Abu Hamza and his dodgy mates.
Another point to remember is the fact that Northern Ireland had the army patrolling there for decades to try to keep the peace.
We SHOULD have the army here, dispersing people who preach terrorism outside places like Finsbury Park Mosque (and the many others)
• Posted by: SandieL • Report Comment
NOFREE
03.03.08, 5:29pm
Yes, I know there are Irish terrorists, who doesn't.
Did they strap explosives to themselves? NO!
Did they fly aeroplanes into buildings, then find it highly amusing when they collapse? NO!
Could they march through the streets threatening to behead people and get away with it? NO!
Did they stand outside their churches - either Catholic or Protestant - threatening to kill people because they are unbelievers of Islam? once again NO!
Yes, we all know the Irish terrorists were dangerous, they blew hotels up, nail bombed which killed many people.
They were not though, threatening our Christian way of life in this country.
The IRA and their opposites like the UDA etc., were fighting amongst themselves, and the IRA were targeting mainland Britain for reasons too long to into on here.
The 'soft on terrorists' question on this page, applies to Muslims who are grooming young people to commit terrorist acts. They however, do lots of their recruiting in PUBLIC.
The IRA did their recruiting behind closed doors, and raised money - mainly in America for their causes.
The Muslim terrorists decided to come to the UK, take OUR money (via the benefits system) and to send some to their own countries to fund people like Bin Laden.
Are you really comfortable with defending these people??
I most certainly don't condone any acts of Irish terrorism.
It would appear that, no matter what is said about Muslims, you defend them. Even the terrorists!
What does that say about you?
And, by the way, I wasn't sleeping during the 70's & 80's.
We are all sleepwalking into a NIGHTMARE scenario with the Muslims though. Some people can see ahead that is going to happen.
Not you though nofree.
• Posted by: SandieL • Report Comment
SANDIE
03.03.08, 9:28am
you say:
"Until this country is cleansed of people who come here (also the ones born here) with the sole purpose of creating mass destruction via terrorist methods, the British public will be concerned about extremism."
wow, i had no idea you had such strong views on the irish. after all, they have perpetrad far more acts of terrorism on our soil than any other group.
or did you forget what guy fawkes was about? as well as sleeping through the 70's and 80's.
• Posted by: nofreespeechhere • Report Comment
FACT IS...
27.02.08, 12:09pm
what does a 'terrorist' look like????
We don't know, yet we let millions of immigrants/migrants into OUT country without checking their past.
Until this country is cleansed of people who come here (also the ones born here) with the sole purpose of creating mass destruction via terrorist methods, the British public will be concerned about extremism.
I for one, do NOT want these people in MY country.
If they want to stick their bum in the air and pray facing Mecca, that is all well and good, but they should be in a Muslim country to do that.
Not try to change our ways and customs here in Great Britain.
• Posted by: SandieL • Report Comment
FACT IS...
27.02.08, 12:09pm
what does a 'terrorist' look like????
We don't know, yet we let millions of immigrants/migrants into OUT country without checking their past.
Until this country is cleansed of people who come here (also the ones born here) with the sole purpose of creating mass destruction via terrorist methods, the British public will be concerned about extremism.
I for one, do NOT want these people in MY country.
If they want to stick their bum in the air and pray facing Mecca, that is all well and good, but they should be in a Muslim country to do that.
Not try to change our ways and customs here in Great Britain.
• Posted by: SandieL • Report Comment
ABUELA
26.02.08, 4:29pm
I would like to see John Howard the ex Aussie PM coming over here and taking the reins of our country.
He would sharp kick out the bludgers (as the Aussies call scroungers & spongers).
We need someone will balls like him, not the weak knee'd lily livered shower in Westminster.
• Posted by: SandieL • Report Comment
THIS COUNTRY IS A JOKE
26.02.08, 8:56am
The practice of allowing immigrants to draw on our benefit system when they have not paid a penny in is absolutely ridiculous.
There should be a points system applied to all immigrants entering this country and if they cant support themselves until they can find a job then tough, dont let em in.
We are not able to feed the world !
We should look after our own !
But we cant even do that.
• Posted by: abuela • Report Comment
WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE
26.02.08, 2:14am
who come here to scam the system, and pay no taxes at all?
Also, if these people are to support our old people when they retire, how will we be able to afford that, when there will be far more paid out in benefits for all of the children they are having, free gratis on our NHS.
£315 million last year spent on babies born to foreign mothers.
Mmmmm..... how much is that in child benefit, child tax credit, school costs in the future???
There is more going out of the coffers than we are getting in.
This country will be bankrupt shortly, especially the way Jock McBroon is giving it away to everyone BUT yer granny.
• Posted by: SandieL • Report Comment