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NO ONE BELIEVES US, ADMIT GLOBAL WARMING SCIENTISTS

Britons are not convinced mankind has caused global warming

Friday February 5,2010

By Mark Reynolds

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BRITONS are not convinced that mankind has caused global warming, three leading climate scientists admitted yesterday.

In the wake of the scandal at the University of East Anglia, they conceded there were “uncertainties” about the science, but said the evidence was still overwhelming.

Last year, leaked emails from the university’s climate research unit appeared to show that scientists had changed statistics to strengthen their case.

But yesterday Professors Julia Slingo, Brian Hoskins and Alan Thorpe spoke out after weeks of controversy concerning the accuracy of the evidence.

Professor Slingo, chief scientist at the Met Office, said: “We have a real issue about communicating science in a clear way which the public can understand and we haven’t done that very well.”

She said the impact on temperature of the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide, or CO2, had been known about since the 19th century. The link was “straightforward fundamental physics”, she said, while other data – from rises in sea level to retreating glaciers – also showed the climate was changing.

Professor Thorpe, head of the Natural Environment Research Council, said that in the wake of the recent controversy there was a need for researchers to engage more openly with the public.

He added: “We have to have discussions with everybody, with the public, whether they call themselves sceptics or not.” He said he would like to see sceptics using properly reviewed scientific studies to back their views rather than “hearsay and assumptions”.

“It’s not a matter of belief, it’s about the evidence,” Prof Thorpe said.

Prof Hoskins, of the Grantham Institute of Climate Change at Imperial College London and a member of the Government’s Committee on Climate Change, acknowledged there had been mistakes in the committee’s report, but said it did not undermine the case for global warming.

“There’s an audience out there that says: ‘I hope this isn’t the case’ and is eager to hear it’s not,” he said.

But he insisted: “This isn’t a question of belief. This is fact – and there’s emerging evidence it is increasing.”

Prince Charles yesterday rejected evidence that climate change was a myth. During a speech in Manchester, he asked: “Why is it that sea levels are more than six inches higher than they were 100 years ago? This isn’t an opinion – it is a fact.”

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PRINCE CHARLES

07.02.10, 12:44am

It was heartening to see Prince Charles get something right. Sea levels are indeed rising at an average rate of about 0.3 meters per century.

However, the average rate of rise since the end of the last Ice Age is more than 1 meter per century. The Prince should be happy that the rate of rise in modern times is so much less than it used to be only 6,000 years ago.

• Posted by: gallopingcamel • Report Comment

EH ?

05.02.10, 10:22pm

Professor Slingo, chief scientist at the Met Office, said the impact on temperature of the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide, or CO2, had been known about since the 19th century.
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Well of COURSE it has. And they just KNEW it was being caused by all of those 4x4s they were driving around in during the 1800s.
What utter drivel !

• Posted by: TrevorD • Report Comment

NO ONE BELIEVES US, ADMIT GLOBAL WARMING SCIENTISTS

05.02.10, 9:58pm

Are the public being taken for a ride by Politicians ?

Global Warming leading to Climate Change has occured on numerous occasions over Billions of Years and NONE of these occurences were due to mankind.

It is a natural progression of the Earths relationship or position in the Solar System against the Sun and the Planets combined with other natural phenomina.

Another issue is Mass Deforestation - trees absorb CO2 and give off Oxygen and water as a result and deforestation has substantially reduced the Planets trees and thus the ability to rid the Planet of Carbon.

Its frightening to think that the CO2 theory leading to Global Warming is promulgated by Scientists who may have a financial self preservation interest in the subject.

Recently it has sparked off claims that £ billions is being provided by Governments Worldwide to fund research into the greenhouse effect.

Therefore in essence thousands of Scientists know that their jobs depend on their unanimous ability to ensure that the theory continues to be seen as fact.

Politicians are using Global Warming as a scaremongering tactic and as an excuse to increase the Tax Burden etc. No one believes us, admit global warming scientistsHowever why arent they pushing the issue of planting more Broad Leafed Trees ?

Also now that they have started the "panic" ball rolling they are falling over themselves to jump on this so called "Green Bandwagon" which will in reality, serve no more than their individual Egos (and bank balances).

It is the ordinary man who will ultimately pay the price.

• Posted by: EmperorMing • Report Comment

JUST READ SOMETHING ELSE INTERESTING

05.02.10, 7:58pm

Apparently some scientists argue global warming on Earth is more likely to have been caused by a regular 1,500-year-cycle of warming and cooling than rising carbon dioxide levels.

They say all planets experience climate change. Nasa scientists recorded Mars warming by 0.5C since the 1970s, which is similar to the warming experienced on Earth over the same period.

Maybe we caused it by sending all those manmade battery operated hot little robots?

• Posted by: TheDA • Report Comment

THEY STILL DON'T GET IT

05.02.10, 7:16pm

Geez, Prof. Slingo, we understand perfectly well the fundamental physics of CO2 in isolation. What NO ONE knows (yet), especially bloviating climate alarmists, is how CO2 affects a non-linear, chaotic biosphere! We also understand perfectly well that the climate has been changing. What is baflfling, though, is that you cannot see that the current warming trend began LONG before man began burning fossil fuels in great quantities and that the absolute temps and rate of temp increase is not outside of normal variation.

OMG, Prof Thorpe. Asserting that catastrophic AGW skeptics have been engaging in "hearsay and assumptions" is the absolute apex of hypocracy. Whether the topic is rising sea levels, glacier melt, rainforest endangerment, storm intensity/frequency, or even polar bear population, alarmists have engaged in an all-out campaign of hearsay, personal opinion, and exaggeration. Let's not even start with the fact that the whole global warming movement was based on an ASSUMPTION that CO2 was a significant factor in planetary temperatures. An assumption, btw, that is still unproven.

Prof. Hoskins does make a correct statment. The mistakes made do not undermine the case for global warming. There is ample evidence to show that the planet has warmed slightly over the past 300 (or so) years. Those mistakes, though, do indeed undermine the case for catastrophic AGW.

Lastly, poor Prince Charles cannot seem to grasp that the climate is ALWAYS changing. He seems absolutely amazed that, as global temps have risen since exiting the Little Ice Age, that sea levels should rise in concert. Impossible! In his mind, it seems sea levels are tied singularly to the increase in atmospheric CO2. God help our British cousins should this kind of thought process become manifest in the role of king.

• Posted by: stevea526 • Report Comment

FOR BOTTLETOP

05.02.10, 6:43pm

I'll debunk one of your claims immediately.

"11 of the 12 hottest years recorded so far have taken place since 1995"

The collapse of the USSR means that the Soviet weather stations in Siberia and the Arctic were taken out of commission and out of the equation.

Now, surely the climate 'scientists' measuring the data would compensate for the loss of the USSR weather stations, I mean it's not like they would carry on and massage the data to appear more in line with what they would like to see? No not trustworthy IPCC & CRU scientists........

I would suggest you study mean averages and try and work out what happens if you have say, -47, -39, -12, 6, 17, 21, 23, 30, 42 work out the mean average, then remove -47 then do the same simple maths. Since when were the warmest years 'recorded'? When did the USSR collapse again?....... Hottest years since 1995 you say.... strange that...

Also explain why this year, one of the globally coldest winters in 'recorded history' was not predicted by ANY of the 'climate models'? I thought the CRU & IPCC science was infallible? (Maybe I was confusing them with the Pope.... they peddle the same brand of fear inducing voodoo, easy mistake to make.)

I'll let you think about that one for a while.

One last thing, anyone that says 'the science is settled' is NOT a real scientist.

• Posted by: Smeghead • Report Comment