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BROWN: "ARCHBISHOP IS A MAN OF INTEGRITY'

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Dr Rowan Williams has told friends he will not quit

Monday February 11,2008

By Macer Hall and Nicola McCafferty for express.co.uk

PRIME Minister Gordon Brown today paid tribute to the “great integrity” and “dedication” of the Archbishop of Canterbury following his remarks that Britain should adopt some aspects of Muslim Sharia law.

Mr Brown’s spokesman said that the Prime Minister and Dr Rowan Williams had a "close relationship" and that the Prime Minister understood the ‘difficulty’ the Archbishop is currently facing.

He said: “The Prime Minister believes the Archbishop of Canterbury is a man of great integrity and dedication to public and community service and he understands the difficulty he is facing at the moment.

“The Archbishop has been clarifying and setting in a wider context the comments he has made and I’m sure he will continue to do so in the future.”

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His acceptance of some Muslim laws within British law would be disastrous
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Lord Carey

The spokesman added: “The Prime Minister is very clear that British laws must be based on British values and that religious law, while respecting other cultures, should be subservient to British criminal and civil law.”

The remarks from Downing Street come as Dr Rowan Williams faces a crucial test as he gives his presidential address at the opening of the General Synod, the Church’s ruling body, in central London today.

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The Archbishop is expected to defend himself after a storm of hostile criticism following a BBC interview he gave last week in which he said the adoption of some aspects of Islamic sharia law in the UK “seems unavoidable”.

The interview preceded a public lecture in which Dr Williams said UK law needs to continue to find accommodation with religious legal codes such as the Islamic system of Sharia law if community cohesion and development are to be achieved.

His remarks drew criticism from church leaders, secular groups and government figures with at least two Synod members calling for him to go.

His predecessor Lord (George) Carey reported: “He has in my opinion overstated the case for accommodating Islamic legal codes.

“His conclusion that Britain will eventually have to concede some place in law for aspects of sharia is a view I cannot share.”

But Lord Carey also defended the Archbishop, saying:

“This is not a matter upon which Dr Williams should resign. He is a great leader in the Anglican tradition and he has a very important role to play in the Church.

“He has my full support. I telephoned him to say this to him and to tell him he is in my prayers. I understand he is horrified by what has happened.”

A leading conservative Anglican leader, the Archbishop of the Southern Cone, the Most Rev Gregory Venables, also joined the criticism.

He told the BBC Radio 4 Sunday programme:

“Taking it within the context of other things that have been said and done in recent months it would just add to the general sense that confidence in the leadership of the Anglican Church has plummeted, which is why a number of significant people have chosen not to go to (the) Lambeth (conference).”

Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor, the leader of Catholics in England and Wales said:

“When people come into this country they have to obey the laws of the land.”

He added: “There are aspects of sharia that are practised that we certainly wouldn’t want in this country.

“The laws of this country don’t allow forced marriages or polygamy.

“It seems to me a government and a country has a right to make sure that those laws are kept.”

Dr Williams defended himself on his website on Friday, saying he had made no proposals for sharia, and “certainly did not call for its introduction as some kind of parallel jurisdiction to the civil law”.

He has been backed by some Church figures, who have spoken of their frustration at the reception his remarks have received in the media.

The Bishop of Hulme, the Rt Rev Stephen Lowe, said he was appalled at the “knee-jerk” reaction to a serious piece of academic work.

The Rev Giles Fraser, vicar of Putney, told the BBC Radio 4 Sunday programme the media had descended on Dr Williams like a “pack of dogs”.

“I think the big issue here is the way the press has treated the Archbishop of Canterbury for raising a legitimate issue for him to raise.

“That is the big moral picture here.

“They have been a pack of dogs having a go at him without even trying to understand what he said.

“There is something sinister about a culture that judges first and tries to understand later.”

Alison Ruoff, a General Synod member from London, said last night:

“He is a disaster for the Church of England.

“He vacillates, he is a weak leader and he does not stand up for the Church. I would like to see him resign and go back to academia.”

Archbishop of the Southern Cone Greg Venables, a leading figure in the Church in South America, said: “Taking it within the context of other things said and done in recent months, it adds to the general sense that confidence in the leadership of the Anglican Church has plummeted.”

Colonel Edward Armitstead, a Synod member from the diocese of Bath and Wells, said: “Rowan Williams is a godly, gracious and clearly very able person in many ways. But I don’t think he’s got the gift of leadership the Church needs at this present time.

“The Church is facing difficulties with falling attendances, diminished financial giving and fewer men and women coming forward for ordination to full-time ministry and it really needs a clear Christian leadership.

“He has set this hare running when there are other things of perhaps greater importance for the Church to consider.”
Labour Chief Whip Geoff Hoon added: “I’m not sure it was wise of the Archbishop of Canterbury to comment on these rather complicated legal matters.”

Dr Williams has vowed to friends that he will not quit, though he admits being “shocked” at the anger his remarks last week provoked.


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RESPICE FINEM - "LOOK TO THE END".

12.02.08, 4:12am

What did the good Archbishop actual say?

Dr Rowan Williams said that the introduction of parts of Islamic law here would help to maintain social cohesion and seems unavoidable.

Sharia courts exist already.

We should “face up to the fact” that some British citizens do not relate to the British legal system, he said, and that Muslims should not have to choose between “the stark alternatives of cultural loyalty or state loyalty”.

A lot of what is written on this confusing subject suggests “the ideal situation is one in which there is one law and only one law for everybody”. He went on: “That principle is an important pillar of our social identity as a western liberal democracy.” “It’s a misunderstanding to suppose that that means people don’t have other affiliations, other loyalties, which shape and dictate how they behave in society, and the law needs to take some account of that.”

“An approach to law which simply said there is one law for everybody and that is all there is to be said . . . I think that’s a bit of a danger.”

What Dr Williams did not say, seriously weakens his argument. He did not celebrate the fact that our long established legal system - combines both statute law and common law, nor indeed did he mention, that the central tenet of our legal framework is equality. From the moment of your first to your last breath everyone is equal under law and before the court.

Dr Williams is a seasoned intellectual and a trained academic and naturally his instincts are to look deeper and broader at the theological questions of the day and try and shape an inclusive Christan consensus around his personal sense of values and direction.

As the leader of the Anglican Church, this is indeed what he must do, lead his flock.

But leadership demands you understand your subject and your flock. On both counts Dr Williams missed the point. To suggest “other affiliations” within a new legal framework can be accommodated, is simply unworkable if it is to maintain its independence and universal respect. Such a suggestion is intellectually flawed.

Dr Williams seriously misunderstood the mood of a normally tolerant British society which sadly will come to haunt the remainder of his term of office.

To many reasonable and fair minded observers, the establishment of which Dr Williams is a pillar, continually gives the impression our British culture and values is something to be ashamed of and devalued to accommodate cultures less tolerant than ours.

Dr Williams is a good man who allowed his heart to rule his head. On this occasion, he was completely and utterly wrong. We should forgive him, for he knows not, what he has done.

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B'STARD MCBEAN

11.02.08, 6:56pm



Wouldn't recognize integrity if it jumped up and bit his scotch arse.
These two have brought the word intellectual into disrepute,both have been called intellectual,both considered to be highly intelligent and philosophical.
In reality,both are a pair of Muslim appeasing chumps,both are exceedingly dangerous buffoons.

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BROWN & WILLIAMS ARE MUSLIMS

11.02.08, 5:31pm

Perhaps Dr Rowan Williams and Mr Brown should officially become Muslims, they are, all but!

Integrity!?!? This government wouldn't know it if it smacked them in the face.

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ARCHBISHOP A MAN OF INTEGRITY

11.02.08, 4:29pm

says Mr Brown, ha ha, mr brown does not even know the meaning of the word. so again it is a case of you scratch my back and I will do the same for BAH

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RE; ANYTHING LEFT TO SELL

11.02.08, 4:15pm

Unlearned: you forgot....

Cash for internal organs under presumed consent!

(It'll happen! Give it time!)

This isn't so much a "me; me; me" government, as a "take; take; take."

Generally: the Archbishop (IMHO) has done us a great, great favour: the cracks in the govt are getting too obvious to paper over.

Give the man a podium and let him waffle on about the EU - we could do with some fully fledged righteous anger to stir everyone up on that matter too.

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MAN OF INTEGRITY

11.02.08, 4:05pm

Having a person like Brown vouching for you is like Having Peter Sutcliffe Recommend you for a Job in an old Prostitutes care home

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