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HAVE YOUR SAY

IS BRITAIN TOO SOFT ON TERRORISTS?

Extremist Abu Hamza

Friday February 15,2008

By Tom Whitehead

Comment Speech Bubble Have your say(86)

BRITAIN has become a “soft touch from within and without” for extremists, a devastating report warned yesterday.

Failure to “lay down the line” to immigrants who refuse to integrate has undermined the fight against radicals and
terrorists.

This is the verdict of some of the country’s most respected defence experts.

In a scathing attack they blamed increasing terror threat on a “mis-placed deference” to multi-culturalism and lack of leadership.

The London 7/7 atrocities had exposed those weaknesses, it said. The report painted a crushing picture of the UK as a “fragmenting post-Christian society” divided over its history, aims and political identity.

A loss of confidence in the nation’s identity and institutions was increasingly making the country a target for attack.
And it compared that to the “implacability” of the Islamic terrorists now threatening both from within our borders.

The hugely-damaging report, from the renowned Royal United Services Institute (RUSI), urged ministers to restore defence and security as the first duty of government.

In unusually strong language, it said: “We look like a soft touch. We are indeed a soft touch.”

Do YOU think Britain is too soft on terrorists? Should Britain be "laying down the line?"

Have YOUR say...

I AM AFRAID THE IRISH AND WEST INDIANS FOUND IT ...........

28.06.08, 11:28am

I am afraid the Irish and West Indians found it very hard when they came to these shores all those years ago. No free handouts, accomodation, pandering for them I'm afraid. The West Indians got a really raw deal at that time especially as they was then British Subjects with British passports and under British rule. I was told by many that while at the cinema back home that an advertisement used to come on asking for them to come to England to help their mother country as there was a shortage of bus drivers, nurses, etc. They was shown nice apartments and told they would have a good life here but when they came the reality was far different. Boarding houses etc would not give either the Irish or West Indians accomodation so a West Indian would buy a house and then to pay for it would let out rooms to other West Indian immigrants this is why there was so many living in one house, it was by neccessity and not choice.

I think the West Indian people and people of West Indian origin still get a raw deal because the government is too busy pandering to muslims to see their plight. They need to work with the black community to help solve gang crime and the black on black killings. I also believe that the punishment should fit the crime for these murders becuse they are getting too common place.

Saying this crime/murder is only set to get worse with the law lords latest ruling by making it illegal to withhold the names of witnesses. How the hell do they expect people to give evidence knowing that they are under threat of being murdered by other gang members? Think it is time to dismantle the House of Lords and for the government to pass new laws ensuring that the punishment fits the crime

• Posted by: Nimue • Report Comment

SANDIE

05.03.08, 11:14pm

"My immigrants paid there way, and came here legally.
Unlike the scroungers you support, who come here on the backs of lorries."

you have no idea. there was no immigration law back then such as it exists today. so there was no 'legal' or 'illegal'. let alone a welfare system to exploit or not exploit. you can bet that they lived in crowded ghettoes and slum conditions, and picked up whatever work they could pick up. and were hated by the locals.

and as for your 'back of lorries' comment. well, lorries didn't exist then. but you can bet that your family came with hundreds of other refugees on a crowded boat, and were uncerimoniously dumped at the liverpool docks.

now sandie, i am just as bored as you are with this pointless discussion between us. mostly because i am bored with defeating an opposition that is just not up to it.

For the most part, i am glossing over your repetative anecdotes, delusions, hypocracies and hateful comments, and engaging with the issues at hand (and ethan, as, unlike you, he has some actual points to make, and can carry on an actual argument from time to time). so i have no intention to 'do one'.

if you are bored or frustrated that no one will believe your fairy tales of wonder, i'm sure there are plenty of other websites in the darker corners of the internet where you can go and spew hateful rhetoric.

• Posted by: nofreespeechhere • Report Comment

AND FOR YOUR INFO NO FREE

05.03.08, 1:10am

This statement is tripe:-

you don't have a leg to stand on here sandie. you are the child of immigrants, who, 150 years ago were in pretty much the exact situation as immigrants today

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Sorry, but I ain't the 'child of immigrants'.

My parents were both born in Newcastle, as were there parents.

And Catholics immigrants from Ireland, which was then part of the UK, are not on a par with non English speaking Muslims out for a free ride.

Now definately 'DO ONE'

• Posted by: SandieL • Report Comment

SO NOFREE

05.03.08, 1:06am

Is Lancaster the cirlce of hell then??

Must be, you and your leftie mates live there!

We've already done the rounds with the Irish immigrant bit....

My immigrants paid there way, and came here legally.

Unlike the scroungers you support, who come here on the backs of lorries.

Get real, and in the meantime, as they say in Liverpool:-

Do one!

• Posted by: SandieL • Report Comment

SANDIE

04.03.08, 9:51pm

you can defend your personal hypocracies all you want, just don't twist my words:

"You have also said the Irish were treated like dogs, and they kept the wages down."

i said they were accused of keeping wages down. just like current immigrants are accused of keeping wages down.

you don't have a leg to stand on here sandie. you are the child of immigrants, who, 150 years ago were in pretty much the exact situation as immigrants today.

the fact that you are not more sensative to their plight, and can't see how in the same way your feel that your family became british over time, so will immigrant families here.

you can either admit that i am right here, or you can carry on being hypocritical. i personally don't care what you do, it's you who has to look at yourself in the mirror and try to justify your hypocracies to yourself, and to god.

apparently, accoring to dante, the 8th circle of hell is where hypocrites dwell. oddly enough, that is also the home to 'sowers of dischord and schism'.

• Posted by: nofreespeechhere • Report Comment

THIS COMMENT HAS BEEN EDITED

03.03.08, 10:37pm

Where have I defended Irish terrorists?

I have been particularly careful NOT to say either lot is better than the other.

I support neither side.

The immigrants you are on about, are the Irish, who are part of the British Isles.

The people I do not want here are foreigners sponging off the system, which I also took pains to point out that the Irish could not do that.

Either you can't read properly, or have a problem digesting my posts.

Or both.

I know my family living in terrible conditions when they first came here. I told you that many of them died young, likely because of the living conditions.

Not such living conditions for the freeloaders who come here now. Even the detention centres, which are brand new, are set fire to because the immigrants want more than that!

You have also said the Irish were treated like dogs, and they kept the wages down.

Yet you don't accept that immigrants/migrants whatever YOU want to call them keep our wages down.

Most of them work cash in hand I bet, and that means they won't be supporting YOU in your old age.