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18 HOURS IN POLICE CELL – FOR DROPPING APPLE

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ARRESTED: For dropping fruit

Saturday May 10,2008

By Paul Broster

A MAN accused of dropping an apple core in the street hit out at police last night after being held in a cell for 18 hours.


Plumber Keith Hirst, 54, who has a heart condition, was locked up after he refused to accept a £50 on-the-spot fine from a police community support officer.


“The way I was treated you would have thought I had robbed a bank,” he said. And MPs joined in condemnation of the police action, describing it as “totally over the top”. 


Tory Philip Davies said: “Has the world gone mad? Yobs who’ve been caught running amok on our streets have been treated more leniently than this. Police support officers were brought in to reassure communities blighted by yobs, not to act as council busybodies, booking people for dropping apple cores.

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“The time spent locking this man up could have been spent catching real criminals.”


Mr Hirst was arrested after he refused to give his name and address. He was then taken to a police station, where he had his DNA and fingerprints taken.


Police were given the power to take DNA samples from suspects in 2003. But the then Lord Chancellor, Lord Falconer, made clear at the time that the power should be used only for serious offences. 


Mr Hirst, who strongly denies dropping the apple core, was seen twice by a doctor during his ordeal after complaining of dizziness and chest pains.


He said yesterday: “My family are law-abiding people and I would help if I saw a gang of yobs attacking a police officer.


“This kind of incident does not help in improving relations between the community and police. I suppose £50 for an on-the-spot fine is easy money for them.”


Mr Hirst was held during a lunchtime trip to shops in Swinton, Greater Manchester. He was approached by the cycle-riding support officer, who he said was wearing a fluorescent jacket, big sunglasses and a baseball cap and carrying a wad of tickets and a pen.


Mr Hirst, who has had heart surgery and is unable to work, told the officer he was not responsible for dropping the apple core and went into a chemist to buy medication for his disabled wife.


He then claims he emerged to discover five uniformed officers had arrived to arrest him.


He was held at Swinton police station and taken to court the next day handcuffed to a security guard. He appeared before Salford magistrates charged with dropping litter and obstructing a police officer.


He denied both charges, and the obstruction charge has since been dropped by the Crown Prosecution Service. The litter charge is scheduled to go to trial before a district judge in July.


Mr Hirst’s wife Glynis, who is disabled because of a back problem, said: “The first I knew about it was when Keith called at 10.45pm.


“He had gone to the post office at lunchtime. We did not know where he was and my daughter had been ringing hospitals because we thought something had happened to him. I think the whole case is ridiculous when you think of the cost for such a stupid thing.”


Senior officers yesterday defended the police action and said Mr Hirst gave them no choice because he would not reveal his name and address. They also “categorically” denied Mr Hirst’s claims that five officers were sent to arrest him, insisting it was a single bobby.


A source said: “We obviously do not want to arrest people for dropping litter. This man had a terrible attitude and left us with no choice because he refused to give his details.” 


Superintendent Ian Palmer, of Greater Manchester Police, said: “Littering is an offence and we work tirelessly to ensure the streets are not only safe but also clean. 


“Officers are expected to challenge anyone seen dropping litter.”


Earlier this year mother-of-three Kate Badger, 25, of Wolverhampton, appeared in court after being accused of throwing an apple core from her car. The case dragged on for a year and cost at least £2,800 before being dropped.


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HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT OUR POLICE "FORCE" NOW?

23.05.08, 5:08pm

Speaking as a perfectly law abiding human being I was a little surprised when someone asked me the question "If you saw a police officer, council enforcement officer or Cso being beaten by a gang of yobs - what would you do?" I had to give this some thought. A few years ago I wouldn't have given it thought at all - I would have answered "Help the officer of course!" but now .... after reading more and more stories like this one I would have to answer, like others have, "I would watch for a while and walk on by". I never thought I would feel this way. The way I've justified this to myself is that the people who do these jobs must be really freaky, there's something missing from their make up - they themselves are inhuman. Why would I help them? I could imagine that if, in helping them, I dropped something from my pocket that landed on the ground, they would pick themselves up and do me for it. This is the consequence of our "law-makers" attempts to turn us all into "criminals". I cant think what their reasons are but they are achieving what they set out to do.

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WHAT A BUNCH OF PRATS

11.05.08, 11:34am

There's no other way of describing the UK's Police Service ...note, not force, than using the term PRAT'S. A bunch of overpaid, uneducated, time wasting bunch of prat's. What is the answer? If it was possible, sack the bloody lot of them and start again, possibly using armed forces personell who have left the service, ask Brussel's for a intrim police force? that would be a darn site better than the crap what supposed to be protecting the tax paying public. And i no doubt a few of the police will read this mailing ...don't' i repeat "don't" say its all down to paperwork and and those at the top, Its down to you, not being able to do the proper job you're getting paid admirably to do.

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WHAT PERSPECTIVE?

11.05.08, 9:24am

"A common law power available to them is if they are unable to confirm someones details they can arest them and take them to a police station so that the can make enquiry into finding out who they are .Doesn`t matter if its a major or minor crime. If somones detsails can`t be confirmed how can they receive a sumons through the post to attend at court ?Posted by: rodg16."

This is ridiculous.

If I have not committed an offence and if I am asked for my name and adddress to get a ticket served, I would DEFINITELY refuse to give my details.

And this does not entitled a petty Cso (called uneducated Community Police Officer) to arrest me on the basis of the immoral and illegal laws passed by this corrupt government, which is only interested in collecting the revenue from the public.

Wouldn't this Officer(? shouldn't they be called a ticket issuing clerk) have run away from the scene, if he had seen a hoody comitting the most serious crimes?

Come on, wake up and welcome to the NuLabour Police State!!!


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ALBERTTHEDOG - YOU OBVIOUSLY DO NOT SUFFER FROM A LITTER LOUT PROBLEM

11.05.08, 9:16am

If yobs dropped fish & chip cartons, beer cans/bottles and other assorted litter outside your door, like they do mine, you would soon change your tune!

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POLICE AND THE CORRUPT POLITICIANS!

11.05.08, 9:15am

"Superintendent IAN PALMER, of Greater Manchester Police, said: “Littering is an offence and we work tirelessly to ensure the streets are not only safe but also clean. Officers are expected to challenge anyone seen dropping litter.”

No wonder the public is now finding the police unapproachable and dispise them as they do not deploy their resouces to catch the criminals but are quick to use their powers on old and vulnerable people.

Would this officer had the guts to challenge a hoody? No. he would have run away from the scene of the most serious crime he might have witnessed.

Senior police officers seems to be just working for the corrupt, incompetent politician, providing them personal bodyguards and collecting "illegal and immoral" revenue for the Bank of Gordon Unlimited to pay for their obscene allowances.

May be these officers are happy to be employed and have some crumbs thrown to them by these politicians whereas they would be unemployable anywhere else!

When the rot is at the core (the government), whom can you blame?

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THE APPLE STORY - THE TRUTH

11.05.08, 6:58am

Someone has already made a comment about CSO officers not being used as we were told and I would go further saying that the possibility of a left wing police state is something that has been made stronger by introducing them.

This is an example of the emergance of that tendancy. The man was accused of being obstructive and dropping an apple core on the ground. The obstruction charge has been dropped and there is no witness to the horror of the apple core but the Cso, so any official can say what they want and the police state is here. Spot fines are an infringement on our rights if they are applied in this manner because the official concerned becomes a god who must be believed and the ones listening are left wingers anyway.

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Most of the cso officers may be genuine but around this area they are trade union appointees who are just good union people that have to be told what to say and doby the background people.

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